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  • May. 7th, 2008 at 7:11 AM
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 Last night sucked. It was the longest night since Jack was a baby. His new sleep routine has been working awesomely when it comes to putting him down for naps or putting him to bed. He lays right down, doesn't even try to get up, doesn't cry and we can leave the room while he's still awake and he goes right sleep. The problem is when/if he wakes up in the middle of the night. He's not getting the hang of putting himself back to sleep. A couple of times we've caved and brought him to bed and that's really biting us in the ass. The last few nights I haven't even sat in his room while trying to get him back to sleep. Just put him in bed until he stayed and then shhh'd him a bit and then left. It seems like the nights that we have sat in there with him.....waiting for him to fall asleep.....he doesn't. The slightest movement and he pops up to see if you're still there. One of the main reasons we're doing this is because I can't sleep in there with him anymore. Just sitting on the floor for long periods of time is hard for me too. I won't do it anymore. Problem is....Jared will. We're not doing the same things and the inconsistency is blowing the whole thing.  

Not to say that the reason this isn't working is Jared's fault. He's doing what we're supposed to do....sit in there and shhhh  him and verbally comfort him until he falls asleep. It's just that I can't do it. It takes too long and it's hard for me to sit/lay in there that long. That and the fact that he will go to sleep without us in the room at nap time and at bedtime....I think means he can handle doing it in the middle of the night as well. I was ready to step it up a notch so I did.

So last night Jack cried from 12-5 and I was determined to handle it myself so I never woke up Jared to take a turn at it. From 12-2:30 I went in and repeatedly put Jack in his bed until he stayed and then I left. A few times he was quiet for a few minutes but then would start to cry again when he realized I had left. The first time I let him cry 5 minutes, the next time about 7 and then 10 minutes. Then I went in there every 10 minutes until 2:30. He would not stay in his bed. He would not calm down. So from 2:30 until about 4:30 I only went in there maybe every half hour. This is major crying it out but I really feel like he's old enough to handle it. He needs to know I'm not going to cave. Everytime I went in he reached for me to pick him up and I know he was wanting me to just give in and bring him to bed with me and it was NOT going to happen. 

By 4:30 I was kind of delirious and not really sure how much of the crying was real, how often I went in there or how much I was just dreaming. By this point whenever I did fall asleep, I was dreaming about trying to get Jack to quit crying and go to bed so it's all a blur. There were definitely quiet times when for all I know he was sleeping on the floor in his room. I heard him at 6:20 and decided it was time to get up. I opened his door and he followed me back into the bedroom while I got dressed and asked to "nuggle Mama?". We snuggled for like a minute and he was dozing so I made us get up. He's exhausted so today will be trying I imagine. I just hope tonight if he wakes up, he realizes I'm still not going to cave.  

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[info]lhyna71 wrote:
May. 7th, 2008 12:17 pm (UTC)
I know I'm going to sound "supernanni-ish"
but REALLY REALLY try this..

It will take you TWO LONG NIGHTS, TOPS!! but it works.
If Jack wakes up in the middle of the night, you have to put him back in bed. He can't come to you.. He has to learn it's his place.
I did that with Nick .. He killed us for months, waking up night after night, until I just couldn't take it anymore
Just carry him and put him back. No talking no soothing no nothing. Lay him down, cover him and step out of the room... It will take a LOT of time at first, but the rewards are IMMENSE!!!.
He won't get out of bed EVER again.
[info]kikifitz wrote:
May. 7th, 2008 12:21 pm (UTC)
That's exactly what we've been doing. Putting him back in his bed over and over. He can't get out of his room now with the child safety door knob thing. He's just been so stubborn and repeatedly getting out of bed and going and trying to open the door. Since he can't get out....after I while I was like fine...sleep on the floor then! O_o

I think last night was so awful for both of us that I really can't see how he could be up for it again tonight!
[info]amathyst wrote:
May. 7th, 2008 12:27 pm (UTC)
I know you're doing what's best - buy crying babies just make me sad. :(
[info]kikifitz wrote:
May. 7th, 2008 01:21 pm (UTC)
I know...it's heart wrenching to hear him cry :(
[info]sm00bs wrote:
May. 7th, 2008 12:42 pm (UTC)
Ugh. I totally feel you on this one. Sophie will get up if neither of us goes into her room and she'll crawl into bed with us. I don't so much mind that as when she feels the need to whine about something and decides we have to get up at 2:00 AM. :(

So tired. :(
[info]kikifitz wrote:
May. 7th, 2008 01:20 pm (UTC)
I like having him come and snuggle with me but it's screwing up this whole sleep routine and we have 2 months to get it down pat before Keira comes! Down the road I wouldn't mind letting him come sleep with us from time to time if he's having a rough night but it just can't happen right now. We gotta stick to our guns :/
[info]sm00bs wrote:
May. 7th, 2008 01:34 pm (UTC)
Yeah, I think it's great that you guys are working on this now and not waiting.

The whole reason we moved Sophie to her room was because she was just getting too big for our bed (we have a queen and she's a freakin heifer). I had her in the guest room for a while since I could still nurse her to sleep there, but had to move her out in preparation for my family's visits. I think we moved her about a week before my sister got here and it was a struggle for that first month because of family coming and going, but I think she's actually to the point where she can go to sleep on her own now. I love the snuggles in the morning as well (even the ones at 2:00 am), as long as I have the luxury of staying in bed a little past 6:00 am. ;)

I hated the first few days my parents were here because my mother kept intercepting the kiddo and I missed my snuggle time! Sophie says, "Cuddle mommy?" I love it. ;)
[info]kikifitz wrote:
May. 7th, 2008 01:45 pm (UTC)
We have a king and it still wasn't enough room for all of us! We transitioned him out at 7 months because he was just too much of a wiggler and none of us were getting good sleep.

He's such a a little snuggle butt! I love it. He asks to "nuggle" all the time. It's really hard to say no :/
[info]sm00bs wrote:
May. 7th, 2008 01:47 pm (UTC)
Baby snuggles are the best, no matter how old. I hate turning her down, so I understand. ;)
[info]akamom wrote:
May. 7th, 2008 01:13 pm (UTC)
Yikes. Rough night. I dont envy you at all. I hope you get to nap with him this afternoon - if he even makes it that long! Poor tired lil guy! You have alot more willpower than I do.... the *nuggle mama* at 6am would have had me in bed with him in a second, and we both would have been asleep!!

I remember nights of being delerious, and not knowing how many times I actually got up with Aiden!! Tom used to ask me every day how many times he would get up, and there were alot of times where my answer was "I have no idea!" hahahaa Fortunately for me, he would go right back to sleep after nursing, and just learned to sleep thru the night on his own... which also means I have no advice that could help you!

Hang in there - I imagine the first night would be the worst!!!

*hugs*
[info]kikifitz wrote:
May. 7th, 2008 01:19 pm (UTC)
He's already sleeping in the chaise :P He was eating his eggs with his eyes at half mast and doing the head bob in his high chair.

I know....I was happy that he was still happy to see me this morning let alone wanting to snuggle! It was hard not to just sleep with him in bed for a while but I gotta stop doing that....at least until he's got this down pat.

I remember those nights too when he was younger. No clue how many times I got up. That was after we had transitioned him out of our bed and into his own room. When he slept with us for the first 7 months...I nursed him back to sleep in a partial coma....no idea how many times :P

Thank you!

[info]akamom wrote:
May. 7th, 2008 01:27 pm (UTC)
I bet!! Poor lil guy, he's so tired!!! I bet he's cute sleeping in the chaise!!!

Isnt it amazing that they still love us even when we feel rotten?! Believe me, I totally understand... it would be SO EASY for me to develop a co-sleeping habit with Aiden if he wanted to snuggle in bed with me! hahaha In fact, I often say Id give anything just to go lay down in my bed and take a nap together - but hes not a snuggler... and he NEVER would sleep in bed with me. Not even when he was a newborn. When he was NEW NEW, he would NOT sleep in the basinette. SO I tried having him sleep in bed with me, and that was just as bad. So, for 6 weeks, we slept in the livingroom until I was smart and got a play yard, where he was content to sleep in the basinette part of that!!! It was a rough few weeks!! Id sleep on the couch, and he would sleep in the bouncer next to the couch, or on the couch with me - and my husband whined constantly that I didnt sleep with him anymore! hahaha A few months ago he was sick, and had a REALLY HIGH fever (like, 103 high) and he slept in bed with me for a few hours. That was IT!

Hey, even though Aiden didnt sleep in bed with us, I still nursed him in a partial coma! hahahaa I remember I was in shock when we moved him out of the play yard and into his crib - because then I had to get up and take on estop to the crib when he woke up! hahaha Then it was even worse when we moved in here, and not only did I have to get out of bed, but I had to go to the next room! hahah

Sleep. Why does it have to be so complicated sometimes?!?
[info]kikifitz wrote:
May. 7th, 2008 01:40 pm (UTC)
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We nap together from time to time and we used to all the time. Now he naps in his bed, Brooke in the spare room and me on the couch.

That sucks that Aiden never liked to sleep with you :(

Yea the first few months were tough because we hadn't gotten the hang of nursing yet, let alone lay down nursing so sleepig together wasn't that great until he was about 3 months old. That would have been tough to sleep on the couch for that long! We all camped out in the living room for the first 2 weeks when we first brought him home and Jared slept on the couch and I slept on the chaise with Jack. It was a nightmare. The couch was saggy and really put a wrench in Jared's back and the chaise is not that great for sleeping in. We finally wised up and dragged (drug?) the spare mattress out of the basement :P

Once we transferred him into his room....I was like this sucks! Yea, it's nice to have him out of our bed but now I gotta get up and go into the next room! Suckville!!! He was getting to be way too wiggly though and we got no sleep with him in our bed so it had to be done. We weren't one of the lucky ones that had a kid that slept through the night....ever.....not until just a few months ago!

I sure hope things are different with Keira :P Please be a baby that sleeps through night at least by 3 months!!! LOL


Edited at 2008-05-07 01:41 pm (UTC)
[info]irishka1205 wrote:
May. 7th, 2008 02:31 pm (UTC)
*hugs* You are strong. I think that if you stick to it like you're doing, it won't be long before he realizes that he won't get his way.
[info]kikifitz wrote:
May. 7th, 2008 08:21 pm (UTC)
I agree! Thank you :o)
[info]katielovesjoel wrote:
May. 7th, 2008 06:02 pm (UTC)
I agree, I totally think sticking to it will be a big blessing to you. I remember when Rosemary finally gave in, it almost felt like she was relieved that we were setting some sleep boundaries for her.

I am so anti-crying-it-out. But I don't even think what you're doing is crying-it-out. You are going back to him and I don't think he thinks you're abandoning him, or that he doesn't know where you are. He's old enough to know what's going on.
[info]kikifitz wrote:
May. 7th, 2008 08:26 pm (UTC)
That's my feeling. That's why I stuck with it even though I was delirious :P We just got a good nap so I feel much better now :O)

I think he'll be relieved to know how to put himself back to sleep as well. What a hassle to have to wait for someone else to come and help you back to sleep!

I know....I refer to it as CIO but I know at this age it's not the same thing. I don't feel like we're damaging him in anymway. Even though towards the end of it/early this morning it was more like every half hour that I went in there....and then after about 4:30 I think...I just stopped going in there...I think he may have slept on the floor a bit during that time. But for pete's sake...I went in there every 10 minutes for 2 hours. I don't believe he thinks I abandoned him either.

Thanks again for the suggestion! I think we'll get it down soon :P
[info]gossipwhore224 wrote:
May. 7th, 2008 08:38 pm (UTC)
Ugh. That sounds like no fun. Jack is about to turn 2 soon, right? It seems like all the almost 2 years olds I know go through this and then they turn 2 and its like 'poof' no more nightime sleep issues.
Sounds like you all napped today, so that is a plus!
[info]kikifitz wrote:
May. 7th, 2008 08:47 pm (UTC)
He'll be 2 on June 28th. We need to get this all squared away before Keira comes!

Yes we all took a 2 hour nap so that was awesome :o)
[info]jwood614 wrote:
May. 8th, 2008 04:53 pm (UTC)
I hope that Jack's sleep routine gets better. I know Kaleb's has been messed up for the past couple days too. I can't get him to go to bed before 11 (He use to always go to bed between 8-9).
[info]kikifitz wrote:
May. 8th, 2008 05:15 pm (UTC)
Yikes! That's way too late :/
[info]jwood614 wrote:
May. 8th, 2008 08:07 pm (UTC)
I know. I've been putting him to bed at his normal time, but he throws an evil fit, and after 5 minutes if he doesn't stop, I just take him out of the crib and try again about a half hour later.

Before he would cry, but go to sleep withing 1-2 minutes. Now he would cry for hours on end if I let it go on.
[info]kikifitz wrote:
May. 8th, 2008 08:45 pm (UTC)
Is he down to 1 nap a day?
[info]jwood614 wrote:
May. 8th, 2008 08:52 pm (UTC)
Yeah, he's been down to 1 nap a day for awhile. He normally takes it around 12:30, but the past couple days he has been taking it late (same reason as he is going to bed late...because I can't get him to go to sleep).
[info]kikifitz wrote:
May. 8th, 2008 10:28 pm (UTC)
Gotcha. Maybe you could try waking him up a few minutes earlier each day just to gradually get him back on track....
[info]jwood614 wrote:
May. 8th, 2008 11:09 pm (UTC)
The odd thing, that's not the problem, he's still getting up at the same time as he normally does (between 8-8:30) so overall he's sleeping less.
[info]kikifitz wrote:
May. 9th, 2008 01:25 am (UTC)
Weird.....
Jack usually wakes up anywhere from 6-7. I don't let him sleep past 7 so that he's good and ready for his nap by 11:30. He usually naps until 1:30 or 2 and then is definitely ready for bed by 8:30.
[info]jwood614 wrote:
May. 9th, 2008 02:25 am (UTC)
I know. He went to bed at 8:15 tonight without much of a fight at all.

Hopefully, whatever it is, he's worked it out of his system.
[info]kikifitz wrote:
May. 9th, 2008 12:17 pm (UTC)
Well that's good!
[info]jwood614 wrote:
May. 13th, 2008 08:45 pm (UTC)
Yeah. Now if he would only stick to the same schedule every night, it would be great.

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